"My husband is an aerospace engineer. Of the approximately 400 engineers that he graduated with back in the 80’s, two were women. And I’m sure that if you look at graduating classes everywhere you will find disproportionate levels of males and females in pretty much every area of study, because we live in a free country where people get to choose their careers, and it just so happens that men and women tend to choose differently. That is the reality.
Unfortunately, well-meaning liberals are not known for considering reality when they meddle with government policy. They look around at the disproportionate levels of men and women in various careers and they conclude that it is the tyranny of men, not the choices made by women, that is responsible for the imbalance they see. So in the aerospace industry, for instance, companies that want to do business with the government must often meet minimum quotas of female employees. This leads to disproportionately high salaries and lowered standards for women in that profession. And so it goes.
Before you declare that women are underrepresented anywhere, whether it be a profession, a management position or the legislature, find out what the pool of available candidates looks like. If only 10% of the candidates for public office are women, for instance, then it would be silly to expect them to represent 50% of the elected body. I know you said in a previous post that you’ve gotten lazy about your research and that’s fine, but in this case opining without researching the facts has lead you to falsely blame your fellow males for what you perceive as terrible injustices towards women.
By the way, what evidence do you have that ‘conservatives’ are responsible for keeping women down? It is chauvinism, not conservatism, that is the real problem for women, and my own experience is that chauvinism has no favorite political ideology."
Perhaps you are right Carol. To be sure, it is possible that any given ratio of women to men in a profession reflects some kind of inherent preference which escapes all environmental influences which might exist. Perhaps there is some inherent, built-in system which regulates the preferences and capabilities of women and explains how they disproportionately end up in careers in the retail and service professions - careers which pay dramatically less than say, aerospace engineering.
However, to use an extreme example, consider the status of women in the Taliban regime of Afhganistan before the US/Nato coalition displaced them from power. One could use Saudi Arabia for another example. Both regimes have very gendered policies in terms of the way women are generally expected to behave by the male religious and political elite of that given society. Let's also assume, that over time, this system comes to be accepted, or 'naturalized' by the very women whom the system oppresses.
So, on the face of it, both the men and the women accept this system as "normal". To an outsider, the fact that women are prohibited from driving or hold no political office might seem obvious evidence of discrimination. To those within the society, they might say that is the women "choose" to stay home and 'provide for their husbands and children'. Or they might say that the Koran instructs them to live in this manner, or that it is men that should decide what women want. This is familiar patriarchal thinking, with long associations with not just orthodox Islam, but also with many Christian traditions. Significant numbers of Christian social conservatives outline preferences that women stay at home and raise a traditional family, deferring to the guidance of their husband where applicable. Of course, this traditional family comes at the expense of a career and so on. Let us recall that it has been mere decades since women were technically the property of males within a family structure. To be fair, not everything about holding a career is wonderful and great, but lets not pretend that social conservatives do not have a particular idea of how women, as women, fit into the societal structure.
In the case of the 'extreme' example I've used - Saudi Arabia, or the Taliban - the west clearly looks at women under these situations and labels them oppressed. This is reasonably because in comparison to western women, these women neither exercise nor 'CAN' exercise freedoms exercized by women in western, liberal democracies.
If, overnight, women in Saudi Arabia were somehow allowed to drive, or hold political office, it might take some time before the representation among women among the driving or political class equated with men. In the interim time, at any point before equality was achieved, people might say, well, what we have now is real 'choice' and all the women that might ever want to be politicians or drivers have chosen their path. Any further effort to achieve equality is silly.
Possibly, they are right. However, they could also be incorrect as well. Social attitudes and preferences, held by both men and women, take time to change. It may take generations before women are brought up in environments in which they can imagine being drivers or politicians, and in which, they can overcome social and gender barriers, often within the family, towards being a driver or a politician. Their husbands might prefer less intellectual women, or women who can't drive and are therefore more dependent upon them - and so on and so on.
The point is, any sitaution where parity is not achieved in any significant arena in a democratic society, whether politics or aerospace engineering - may have more of a basis in the socializing and conditioning of career preferences of women than in anything else.
It is because of the ease with which some argue that any system of oppression is 'chosen' by women that organizations such as Status of Women and many other organizations which advocate on behalf of women's rights exist. Yes, conservatives will inevitably sniff at these organizations and the implicit notion that individuals' choices are structured by often unrecognized environmental factors, and that any over-arching goal for society (e.g. equality) smacks of being "forced into choices." That said, when the goals are as valid as equality, surely we can all benefit from this type of 'social engineering'. Is there such a thing as taking equality too far, in say, the sense of political representation. Can women representing approximately 50% of individuals in the vital areas of political and economic power be taken too far? Equality in the areas where it matter is a valid goal, whether or not every woman wants to participate in these areas or not. We as a society can, and should strive to remove barriers towards the attainment of this goal, not question whether the goal is worth setting in the first place - or should be forgotten after having only been partially achieved.



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